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See UFO on Mars
« on: July 22, 2005, 01:36:32 PM »
Here is a picture taken by Spirit navigation camera of Mars (Sol 548), showing an "object" in the sky . . . on Mars.  You will need to enlarge the photo to see the UFO.  Check the JPL site out to see original -- all the spirit 548 & 549 navigation "sky" pictures have something.  And, by the way, a speck of dust would not be in focus; it would make a big blur.

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    http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/spirit.html







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Re: See UFO on Mars
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2005, 01:57:33 PM »
I magnified that as much as I could and it looks to me like a speck of dust was on the lens.
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Re: See UFO on Mars
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2005, 02:00:57 PM »
So there is a speck in the picture.  What reason do you have to believe it is flying?
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Re: See UFO on Mars
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2005, 03:38:31 PM »
So there is a speck in the picture.  What reason do you have to believe it is flying?



A speck of dust would be 'out of focus' and would show up as a large blur.  It appears to be a solid object in the sky.  It may not be a machine, but even a bird would be news!  Recommend you check the JPL site for the original.  All the "sky" SOL 548 & 549 navagation camera pictures are affected.

     http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/spirit.html
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Re: See UFO on Mars
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2005, 04:04:17 PM »
There is a similar blemish on the lower left of the previous frame (frame d), except it is smaller (about half the size) and lighter than the background, rather than darker.
Could these be transmission errors, affecting several pixels?  Both were lacking any detail.
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Re: See UFO on Mars
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2005, 04:49:14 PM »
There is a similar blemish on the lower left of the previous frame (frame d), except it is smaller (about half the size) and lighter than the background, rather than darker.
Could these be transmission errors, affecting several pixels?  Both were lacking any detail.

URL:     http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/spirit.html



We need expert opinion.  Frankly, I don't know.  The vast majority -- except sol 33 Spirit navagation -- have no 'blemishes', 'specks', or anything else.  Also, on Spirit navagation Sol 549 "ground" pictures we have a . . . 'footprint'?  Looks to me like bigfoot put boots on and took a stroll on Mars.  Well, that is my interpretation.  Like I said, we need an expert.


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Re: See UFO on Mars
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2005, 09:49:08 AM »
There is a similar blemish on the lower left of the previous frame (frame d), except it is smaller (about half the size) and lighter than the background, rather than darker.
Could these be transmission errors, affecting several pixels?  Both were lacking any detail.




The vast majority of photos coming from JPL with regard to Spirit and Opportunity do not have anything to indicate errors, transmission or otherwise.  Normally transmission errors are large and obvious, looking a bit like streaks of snow on a TV.  The Russian Venus probe pictures show this and had to be cleaned up.  I am admittedly, however, not a professional in this field.

The pictures are of relatively poor quality being only several hundred kilobytes in size.  With this low resolution little can be distinguished, despite enlargement. 

Another possibility is a "speck of dust."  A speck on the lens, however, should produce nothing but blur and would likely be in all pictures in exactly the same spot.  This is not the case.  It appears in some -- a very few -- pictures and moves around from picture to picture.  A speck on a protective glass cover might not be extremely out of focus, but again it would appear in all pictures in the same place and look identical each time.  This is not the case.

I believe the probability is that we are seeing an object in the sky of Mars.  What kind of object is open to debate.  It might be dust that flew past the camera and was frozen by the camera's shutter speed.  What are the odds, however, that a single grain of dust would do this.  A breeze, in a place where there is precious little air, would have to kick it up and if that were the case there should be a fair amount of dust that would appear as speckles or a dust cloud, not a single speck.

I don't believe the "speck of dust" theory is likely.  It is, therefore, probably something else.  But what?  A gnat possibly, or a bird.  More mundane might be a Martian Moon.  But would they be visible from the surface during the day?  It is darker on Mars than it is here, a fact concealed by the automatically adjusting camera.  That a Moon would appear in one photo and be gone in the next when the pictures were taken together in a single sequence is unlikely.

Once again, it is an unknown flying object of some kind.  Now we are back to gnats and birds.  But there exists the possibility of a designed vehicle of some sort.  The watchers are watching the watchers.  So, it is either a gnat, a bird, or I spy.  But a UFO in either case.


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Re: See UFO on Mars
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2005, 09:58:39 AM »
If a gnat, bird, or spacecraft seems to a more likely explanation than a speck of dust to you then by all means believe it. It still looks like dust to me.

Oh, and I don't see any footprints.  :?
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Re: See UFO on Mars
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2005, 10:28:30 AM »
If a gnat, bird, or spacecraft seems to a more likely explanation than a speck of dust to you then by all means believe it. It still looks like dust to me.

Oh, and I don't see any footprints.  :?


The footprint is probably a rock.  But did it take this shape by accident?  It is markedly different from all else in it's vicinity.  Sort of looks like the toes dug into the soil.  Well, there are a lot of odd shaped rocks on Mars.

With regard to the UFO, some of the UFO pictures -- and there are quite a few -- reduce to crosses at pixel level, not symmetrical pixels.  And, once again, it would be odd for a single grain of fine dust to appear by itself.  Normally a breeze that stirs the dust stirs hundreds, if not thousands, of grains at a time.  To say it is dust is to say that a single grain floated around and appeared in front of the lens.  Unlikely, I believe.

Be sure to check the JPL site yourself.  Check out navigation Sol 33 as well as 548 & 549.  Here is the URL:

  http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/spirit.html


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Re: See UFO on Mars
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2005, 02:30:11 PM »
NCMoore suggested a satellite, but I'm not sure that an object in orbit would be vusable from the surface.
http://www.exploremarsnow.org/marsproject/satellites.html

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Re: See UFO on Mars
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2005, 03:37:15 PM »
Why would a satellite appear darker than the sky? 
The object is with in the atmosphere.
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Re: See UFO on Mars
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2005, 04:54:22 PM »
I also fail to see why a bird or gnat would be on Mars... Maybe I'm missing something here?
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Re: See UFO on Mars
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2005, 09:38:33 PM »
Why would a satellite appear darker than the sky? 
The object is with in the atmosphere.


Just how much atmosphere does mars have?
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Re: See UFO on Mars
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2005, 02:26:54 PM »
Why would a satellite appear darker than the sky? 
The object is with in the atmosphere.


Just how much atmosphere does mars have?


Mars has an atmosphere that is 1% that of Earth's.  It is mostly carbon dioxide with a little nitrogen.  It contains water and water/ice in cloud form.  So, Mars does have water, both in the atmosphere and at the poles.  Just doesn't have much compared to Earth.

There is a tiny amount of oxygen in the atmosphere and an even tinier amount of methane.  In my judgement, life on Mars is possible, but not the same as Earth's.


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Martian bolide on TV ??
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2005, 10:05:15 AM »
Wasn't there a recent pic of a Martian bolide's contrail ?? IIRC, NASA tried to work out if it was one of their old 'orbiters' going down, but conclusion was 'insufficient data'.

As the atmosphere is so thin, even small stuff can get a lot lower before it 'burns up'...

Note number of 'modest' craters littering landscape.

Though Mars is a smaller target than Earth as smaller and less massive, more gets through...