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What country do see as more of a theat to the US, China or Cuba?

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Cuba
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Voting closed: February 18, 2004, 05:26:34 PM

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Offline MRuthless

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« on: January 19, 2004, 05:26:34 PM »
The US seems a bit hypocritical to me as we allow so much trade with China and none with Cuba. If we are supposed to be thwarting communism, as it or the countries that are communist, are considered a danger to democracy, shouldn't the US hold the same policy toward China as they do with Cuba?


You can check the following link for the US military assessment of China. I have yet to find the same report for Cuba.


http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jun2000/china06222000.htm

basically, China wants to be a super power. I personally believe they want to be "thee" super power. Getting into the WTO was their first step in becoming an economic machine by being able to exploit hundreds of millions of Chinese people as a labor force. They recently put a man in space and have plans for the moon, all of whic I find far more threatening than Cuba, yet we still allow trade with them.

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« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2004, 07:16:39 PM »
True, but then again, I think there is some idea that through trade China will slowly democratise.  The US is and alwasy has been hypocritical, its nothing new, and not even surprising.  When it comes down to it, putting sanctions of China would be disastrous polliticlly, economiclly and could even start a true arms race (if not war).  Where lifting sanctions on Cuba would be polliticlly unpopular in many areas.  It's all pollitics.
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« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2004, 01:41:01 AM »
I'm not convinced that either way. Both have serious problems with their countries. Hypocritical or not American does the same infractions on its own peoples and then turns a blind eye back.
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Offline MRuthless

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« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2004, 06:15:34 AM »
True it is all politics. Not only do we allow the Chinese to develop an economic machine that is the foundation for a military super power, but we also lose many American jobs to those that manufacture in China.

I would say I am surprised America's unions aren't all over this, but hey, they are all political too.
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« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2004, 02:06:10 PM »
Its the same over here. Factories are closing in favour of cheap labour in China and the far east. The Unions have started to get annoyed with it and have recently started pressuarising the government.

Hong Kong is very much a Western place and Chinese people over here are quite happy to fit into democracy. Dont know if that has any relevance but there you go :)

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« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2004, 04:12:44 PM »
It is a Global Economy, shipping jobs to where there is cheaper labor constitutes slavery IMO. No matter the guise figure heads doctor the wording its inhumane. Besides isn't all Democracys a form of dictatorship? What once used to be Capitalism is bought out by major conglomorates and passed off as name recognition. I could go on, but like I've said all countries do this in form or another, Castro, China, etc. Its the people who are reamed without benefit except jump thru some more hoops because we tell you too.

I understand change but come on this is getting ridiculous.
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Re: China vs Cuba
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2005, 02:17:24 PM »
Quote from: MRuthless
The US seems a bit hypocritical to me as we allow so much trade with China and none with Cuba. If we are supposed to be thwarting communism, as it or the countries that are communist, are considered a danger to democracy, shouldn't the US hold the same policy toward China as they do with Cuba?


You can check the following link for the US military assessment of China. I have yet to find the same report for Cuba.


http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jun2000/china06222000.htm

basically, China wants to be a super power. I personally believe they want to be "thee" super power. Getting into the WTO was their first step in becoming an economic machine by being able to exploit hundreds of millions of Chinese people as a labor force. They recently put a man in space and have plans for the moon, all of whic I find far more threatening than Cuba, yet we still allow trade with them.

Any comments?


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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2005, 03:18:02 PM »
Quote from: MRuthless
True it is all politics. Not only do we allow the Chinese to develop an economic machine that is the foundation for a military super power, but we also lose many American jobs to those that manufacture in China.

I would say I am surprised America's unions aren't all over this, but hey, they are all political too.

I'd have to second what you say about our unions being too political. They should be politicly active but just seem to be a vote getting tool for 1 party. A party that seems unable to do anything about job loss except scream for protectionism.
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« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2005, 10:53:46 AM »
Did you guys ever watch that show about Wal-Mart on MSNBC?  We will keep buying from China because the cost of labor is low if not free through prisoner labor.  
Would you buy a DVD player for $500 or $100?  Of course you will pay the $100 because $500 is what it will cost to build a DVD player in the U.S. and most of that is the labor cost.

I'm just playing Devil's advocate.
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« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2005, 11:27:35 AM »
I think I did see some of that show about Wal-Mart but I don't remember it very well.

Sometimes you really do get better quality when you pay a little extra... but yeah, most of the time you're just being ripped off. ;)

The thing about cheap DVD players is that they usually need to be replaced in a year or two. I've seen some that don't play the audio in sync with the picture and some that have the english subtitles on by default (you have to turn them off every time you play a movie).
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« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2005, 11:50:08 AM »
I pretty much insist on buying things that don't come from countries that don't believe they are in an economic/fighting war with my own country.
as an aside, I got thrown out of a wal-mart for posting that picture of an aircrewman walking off the plane wearing a T-shirt "I was held captive by a Wal-mart supplier" :mrgreen:
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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2005, 01:11:22 PM »
:lol: I would like a copy of that picture, if you still have it.

Edit: nevermind, I found it. :)



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« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2005, 02:15:29 PM »
Is it hosted somewhere that I can access from work? The lady at the next desk got upset by curlydavid.com :lol:
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« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2005, 02:27:26 PM »
Yikes! I just checked out the curlydavid site... I can see why she wouldn't like it, and it's definately not suitable for viewing at work.

I cropped out the bottom of the picture to remove the link to curlydavid and uploaded the picture to a different address.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/kjj1975/hostage.jpg
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« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2005, 02:49:11 PM »
Thanks, The copier is running right now :lol:
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