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Do you believe NASA faked the Moon landings?

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Were the Moon landings faked?
« on: October 13, 2003, 09:17:55 PM »
On February 15 and March 21, 2001, FOX aired a show titled "Conspiracy Theory: Did We Land on the Moon?". What do you think? Were the Moon landings faked?
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« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2003, 11:56:02 PM »
CBC Newsworld will be re-airing a program titled "Dark Side of the Moon" on Friday, Nov. 21 at 10pm ET. It originally aired on Sunday.

I haven't seen it yet, but from what I have heard it is actually intended to teach "critical thinking", not to promote the hoax theory.
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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2003, 10:49:58 AM »
I have to admit to most people (ie people who dont look into these things closely) just sitting at home randomly watching these programs, they put up what seems to be a really good arguement. Also, I recently read the defence against these arguements and to the average person, these also seem reasonable arguements. All I can say is that if it was a hoax, it was a good one and a lot of back handers must have been given out, after all, at that time, Russia would have been meticulously watching every move!

The same show was aired over here about a year ago. I remember watching it. It had my dad convinced, but he loves to scrutinise everything!

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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2003, 12:02:59 PM »
The hoax theory can seem pretty convincing to people if they don't take the time to research the claims made by the hoax believers. Every claim they make can be debunked easily.
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« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2003, 01:48:52 PM »
I remember hearing reading one of the debunkers on the web. So it seems they happened.

My question is this: if the Americans faked it, why did not the Russians do so? The Soviet Union's poraganda machine was far better anything the American could muster.

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« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2003, 07:59:09 PM »
Maybe because faking it would have been harder than actually going to the Moon in the first place. ;)
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« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2003, 06:47:40 PM »
As I see it the only reason to fake it would be if they decided a moon landing anytime within the 1970's was completly impossible, and if then, given the imbarrasment if they were caught, it still seems unlikly.

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« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2004, 03:27:18 PM »
Yeah but Kennedy said ny the end of the decade, maybe they thought it could be done later, but they were stuck on thte ned of the decade, just as well they couldn't take the chance the Russians would beat them. Why the Russians would not fake it?

Perhaps watching the US program they thought they still had time being that we had so many problems and then all of a sudden a perfect landingon the moon the first time around.

Perhaps, as much as we thought they were evil and the bad guys, they never would have thought to fake it, being a matter of honor and success.

We just may have bluffed them and they never called our bluff.

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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2004, 01:25:10 PM »
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Yeah but Kennedy said ny the end of the decade, maybe they thought it could be done later, but they were stuck on thte ned of the decade, just as well they couldn't take the chance the Russians would beat them. Why the Russians would not fake it?

Perhaps watching the US program they thought they still had time being that we had so many problems and then all of a sudden a perfect landingon the moon the first time around.

Perhaps, as much as we thought they were evil and the bad guys, they never would have thought to fake it, being a matter of honor and success.

We just may have bluffed them and they never called our bluff.


One complete non sequitor that is always raised about the motivation is that the need to win the space race automatically translates into a need to fake it in the event they couldn't actually do it.  That is completely untrue.  So you loose the space race.  Not good.  Recriminations, a bit of fear, a bit of unpleasantness for a time.

But suppose you fake it and get caught.  Impeachments, riots, declarations of war, galactic badness.  At the end of the day, waging such allegations require you amply justify the motive.  Simply referring to a need to win the space race doesn't cut it.  That's only halfway there.
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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2004, 01:29:30 PM »
Welcome to the forum, Glom! It's good to have you here.
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« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2004, 04:55:21 PM »
kennedy gave us only 8 years to get there lacking in so much knowledge that was needed to pull it off.

Strangely enough we made it just before the end of the decade with about 6 months to spare. Kind of like an action movie where the hero saves the day just seconds before the bomb is about to explode. Yep, the great Kennedy, the president of the United States, the greatest country on earth, said we would put a man on the moon by the end of the decade and we did. Would we have it any other way?

Now Bush gives us until 2020. Why do we now need 16 years to do what we once did in 8. With our current knowledge and our past "success" coupled with today's technolgy that seems like quite along time. We should be able to do it faster, easier and less expensive then 35 years ago.

I find it ironic that we would propose to go back, just like I predicted a while back when 1st hearing about China's ambition for space. The space race is on again but at a slower pace because China's proposal is roughly around the same time frame.

Why would the US even care if China goes to the moon if we all ready did it? We should be shooting for something even greater like mars. I think it is a backup plan to ensure we keep our title, as when the Chinese go they will debunk our hoax once and for all when they find we were never there. This would obviously rewrite history. I will predict now, publicly, so that there will be no doubt, that when China speeds up their ambition as they will, in their desire to be viewed as the superior country in the world, the US will step up its plan and try to beat them there.

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« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2004, 11:08:29 AM »
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kennedy gave us only 8 years to get there lacking in so much knowledge that was needed to pull it off.

Strangely enough we made it just before the end of the decade with about 6 months to spare. Kind of like an action movie where the hero saves the day just seconds before the bomb is about to explode. Yep, the great Kennedy, the president of the United States, the greatest country on earth, said we would put a man on the moon by the end of the decade and we did. Would we have it any other way?


What you find overly dramatic is none of our concern.  People have deadlines in all sorts of things all the time.  They seem impossible at first but many of them manage to make those deadlines at an even closer call.

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Now Bush gives us until 2020. Why do we now need 16 years to do what we once did in 8. With our current knowledge and our past "success" coupled with today's technolgy that seems like quite along time. We should be able to do it faster, easier and less expensive then 35 years ago.


Because we're not doing the same thing.  Apollo was a crash program.  It was designed to get isolated missions to the moon for short stays.  This program is meant to create a permanent lunar base.  Chances are, that will involve doing Apollo style to preempt that.  I believe the funds earmarked are $11 billion to develop technologies from essentially square one since the old technology has been long since scrapped.  Apollo cost $40 billion.  That's why we have doubts are how fruitful this political posturing will be.

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I find it ironic that we would propose to go back, just like I predicted a while back when 1st hearing about China's ambition for space. The space race is on again but at a slower pace because China's proposal is roughly around the same time frame.


I'm sure China does indeed factor into this somewhere.

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Why would the US even care if China goes to the moon if we all ready did it?


Because America no longer has the capability and so if China does do it, it'll mean they're ahead.

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We should be shooting for something even greater like mars.


Haven't you been listening?  That's the plan.  Moonbase and manned Mars mission.

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I think it is a backup plan to ensure we keep our title, as when the Chinese go they will debunk our hoax once and for all when they find we were never there. This would obviously rewrite history. I will predict now, publicly, so that there will be no doubt, that when China speeds up their ambition as they will, in their desire to be viewed as the superior country in the world, the US will step up its plan and try to beat them there.


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« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2004, 09:14:49 PM »
Where has this MRuthless character been lately?
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« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2004, 11:49:35 PM »
but what's the point of a lunar base right now? we know more about the moon right now than about the animals, the oceans, and the diseases on the earth. we also have a lot of other concerns to be focusing our attention on. anyone one got have good reasons that I can't see?

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« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2004, 02:18:56 AM »
Sometimes it is the discoveries we can't predict that make such endeavours worthwhile. Christopher Columbus did not set out to discover North America, he was trying to get to China.

There will be spin offs from the future space programs, just like there were from Apollo.

We know a lot more about the animals, the oceans, and the diseases this planet thanks to the space program than we would have without it. Satellites have mapped every inch of the Earth, they exposed the fact that the planet is warming, and they help warn us in advance of natural disasters like hurricanes. Satellites also help us track the decreasing numbers of whales, for example. None of that would be possible without the space program.
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