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SpaceX's Dragon
« on: May 22, 2012, 10:33:57 AM »
Well I missed it last night, but I saw the launch this morning.  Congratulations to SpaceX's launch of Dragon.  This is a great day.  Who knows, in twenty to thirty years, you will be able to buy a garage kit for your own capsule/spaceplane and rent a rocket to get you up to orbit.
I really hope this re-energizes our youth when it comes to space.  Hell, I would be happy if the kids would glance up from their phones and look at what has been accomplished.

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Re: SpaceX's Dragon
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2012, 07:24:00 PM »
Yeah, I missed the launch too. There's no way I was going to wake up at 3am to watch a launch that could have ended up being scrubbed again. But I'm glad they succeeded and hopefully I'll be able to watch the rendezvous with the ISS.
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Re: SpaceX's Dragon
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2012, 04:42:11 PM »
This morning Dragon rendezvoused with the station at 2km away.  Tomorrow morning it will be berthed to the station.

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Re: SpaceX's Dragon
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2012, 07:58:22 PM »
Do you know approximately when they plan to capture it?
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Re: SpaceX's Dragon
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2012, 10:16:16 PM »
Last time I heard was operations will start at 3am EDT.  No definite docking time has been given.  All the passes over my area suck so I will not see at night.

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Re: SpaceX's Dragon
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2012, 09:05:24 AM »
Do you know approximately when they plan to capture it?

About 5 minutes ago.  LOL!
Capture complete - now to swing it around and attach it to ISS.  Looks great so far.

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Re: SpaceX's Dragon
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2012, 10:34:35 AM »
Watching it now.  They are putting Dragon into the RTL (Ready To Latch) position.

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Re: SpaceX's Dragon
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2012, 10:56:02 AM »
We have dock!

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Re: SpaceX's Dragon
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2012, 05:45:28 PM »
Here is a video from NASA via Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bGoJ66WNapE

I do have a question for Ed.  The manifest for Dragon COTS-2 lists water being shipped.  Is the water transported in containers that are unloaded by hand or is there a water line that is connected and pumped out?

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Re: SpaceX's Dragon
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2012, 03:50:42 PM »
I do have a question for Ed.  The manifest for Dragon COTS-2 lists water being shipped.  Is the water transported in containers that are unloaded by hand or is there a water line that is connected and pumped out?

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Hmmm....  if I remember right, we're flying water down - not up.  Neither Dragon, Cygnus, nor HTV have water tanks to carry water up hill.  Unless something has changed that I'm not aware of, we don't fly water uphill in bags - too much risk for leaks.  I know we're bringing a couple of bags of water down on Dragon.  Part of that is proof of concept and part is to be able to do detailed analysis on the water we're making.  We used to bring water samples home on shuttle all the time.

ATV and Progress are the only vehicles I know of that can bring potable water to ISS.  They have large, dedicated water tanks that get drained.  Progress tends to bring up the bulk of our water.  Once those tanks are empty, we then fill them with urine for disposal.  Good times!

We also don't have dedicated large water tanks on the US segment - all our water is stored in bags that take up a lot of storage space.  With our regenerative life support system, we're not having to fly up as much water either (it's heavy!).

Long answer to your question, sorry.

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Re: SpaceX's Dragon
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2012, 04:06:46 AM »
I think I have to correct myself.  I'm doing more study and homework on Dragon before I go on console tomorrow night and it looks like Dragon is capable of carrying water up in soft bags/containers.  Not sure if they actually flew any on this mission but the capability seems to exist.

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Re: SpaceX's Dragon
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2012, 11:05:47 AM »
Looks like I was wrong.  Dragon is carrying ice up for cooling experiments and not liquid water for the station.

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Re: SpaceX's Dragon
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2012, 11:05:09 PM »
Water ice? Is it really more efficient to carry water ice in a cargo run than to use a freezer on-board the station?

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Re: SpaceX's Dragon
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2012, 01:46:11 AM »
Water ice? Is it really more efficient to carry water ice in a cargo run than to use a freezer on-board the station?

It's not water ice.  The ice bricks (don't know the chemical makeup off hand) are used to cool samples going up and down.  On ISS those samples (and the ice for refreezing) go in our freezers, which can go down to ~ -80 deg. C.  The cold storage capabilities of Dragon don't provide powered freezers so we pack samples in "cold bags" with these ice packs/bricks to keep things cold.

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Re: SpaceX's Dragon
« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2012, 01:17:53 AM »
Oh, so it's for cooling in transit. I thought you meant it was for use on the ISS.. Sounds like they are using "dry ice" (CO2) or perhaps nitrogen ice if excessive CO2 buildup in the compartment would be a problem.