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Another Delta-IV Heavy Launch July 25th.
« on: April 10, 2008, 10:16:53 AM »
Remember this date Spacecat.  I want to see pictures as usual.

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Re: Another Delta-IV Heavy Launch July 25th.
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2008, 05:13:55 PM »
That's a great rocket.  Possibly the best of the "big dumb boosters".  Boeing seems to be taking it on the chin these days, so I hope the Delta continues to be successful.

Why can't we compete for the commercial comsat launch market?  I thought about this, and I think it just boils down to not launching from the equator.  I think that's the energy/cost issue.  Does that sound right?
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Re: Another Delta-IV Heavy Launch July 25th.
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2008, 11:33:58 AM »
That's a great rocket.  Possibly the best of the "big dumb boosters".  Boeing seems to be taking it on the chin these days, so I hope the Delta continues to be successful.

Why can't we compete for the commercial comsat launch market?  I thought about this, and I think it just boils down to not launching from the equator.  I think that's the energy/cost issue.  Does that sound right?

I know the Russians make it real cheap with their LOX/Kerosene boosters and Baikinour is higher up latitude wise than Seattle!  Ariane 5 is expensive but you do get that added boost since they are five degrees above the equator.  ESA and Russia will make it cheaper when they start launching Soyuz rockets from French Guiana.

At first I would say the U.S. government should give tax cuts to U.S. companies who launch with U.S. rockets, but now I am leaning against that with the government doing the bailout for those financial firms and banks.  I wish government would keep their noses out of business.

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Re: Another Delta-IV Heavy Launch July 25th.
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2008, 01:48:26 PM »
Why can't we compete for the commercial comsat launch market?  I thought about this, and I think it just boils down to not launching from the equator.  I think that's the energy/cost issue.  Does that sound right?

It depends on what type of orbit you're trying to achieve.  For high inclination orbits, such as polar or sun-synchronous, there is no advantage to being near the equator.  However, launch sites near the equator gain a big advantage for geostationary orbits.  First, just to get into a LEO parking orbit, Cape Canaveral suffers a 54 m/s penalty versus Kourou due to the speed of Earth's rotation.  The big difference, though, comes from the fact a satellite launched from Canaveral has to make a 28.5 degree plane change to get into GEO, versus only about 7 degrees for Kourou.  The numbers vary a bit depending on the exact parameters, but I calculate Kourou has a delta-v advantage of about 313 m/s for GEO delivery.

I've tried to estimate how much more payload could be delivered to GEO by moving the launch from Cape Canaveral to Kourou.  For my example I used an Atlas V, version 401.  I had to make several assumptions, but in summary, I used a Centaur upper stage to insert the payload into GTO and a hypergolic or solid propellant apogee motor (specific impulse 300 s) to insert into the final GEO. 

Based on my calculations, I estimate that the final payload mass could be increased about 16%.  This means that Cape Canaveral suffers about a 16% penalty in cost per unit mass for delivering payloads to GEO.  Of course this is for just one example and will probably vary from one launch vehicle to another.

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Re: Another Delta-IV Heavy Launch July 25th.
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2008, 08:33:01 PM »
Remember this date Spacecat.  I want to see pictures as usual.

SM

Yeah, I see they've finally tied a date to that, after being "TBD" for months.  They'll probably be cagey about the time until a few days before since it's an NRO spybird.  Hope it's a day shot- the mosquitoes get real thick on that causeway after dark!

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Re: Another Delta-IV Heavy Launch July 25th.
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2008, 12:51:24 AM »
They're saying delayed until Sept. 9 now- getting into hurricane season primetime.

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Re: Another Delta-IV Heavy Launch July 25th.
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2009, 10:44:50 PM »
F i n a l l y ......this bird might actually fly next Tuesday, 13 JAN!
Launch time not yet announced- but if I'm breathing, I'll be there! :)

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Re: Another Delta-IV Heavy Launch July 25th.
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2009, 04:44:46 PM »
Launch tomorrow (01/13/2008) at 7:49pm EST and they are having a webcast of the launch starting at 7:25pm EST.

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Re: Another Delta-IV Heavy Launch July 25th.
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2009, 10:26:58 AM »
Scrub for today--- postponed 24 hours due to weather.
Cold front coming down the state with a heavy line of storms in front of it; looks good once it clears, but we'll have temps in the 40's next few nights.  :shock:
(it's about 80F here now)

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Re: Another Delta-IV Heavy Launch July 25th.
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2009, 10:35:33 PM »
Grabbed this from the spaceflight forum:
Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, FL, Jan. 14, 2009 - The scheduled launch of a United Launch Alliance Delta IV Heavy with a National Reconnaissance payload was scrubbed for tonight.  Technicians are working to resolve a gaseous nitrogen valve issue in the ground support equipment.  The very dry gaseous nitrogen is used to evacuate the air from various compartments in the launch vehicle whenever cryogenic propellants are loaded, because the extremely cold temperatures of the propellants would cause water in the air to condense.  Without this piece of equipment working properly fueling of the vehicle could not take place and the issue could not be resolved in time to make tonight’s launch window.  The launch is rescheduled for Thursday, Jan. 15, at 7:41 pm.


I thought I missed it today because of a project I was working on.  I will not miss it tomorrow.

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Re: Another Delta-IV Heavy Launch July 25th.
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2009, 12:29:45 AM »
Unlike when you were here, SM, I haven't been working up in that direction lately- so after a 100 mile drive from home I got to the curve about an hour before launch time and just settled in when word came out that it was scrubbed-- so I finished my hamburger and drove 100 miles home.   I doubt I will try again tomorrrow, even if they do. 
This particular shot was ORIGINALLY set for last Jan 25... then Apr 16... then May 9... then Jul 25... then Sep 9... then Sep 26... then Oct 17... then Oct 31... then Nov 16... then Dec 16... Jan 13 and 14.

Makes you wonder- what is the incentive to launch when you can tack a year's worth of overtime onto the job? 

Anyway, here's proof I was there tonight. :)

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Re: Another Delta-IV Heavy Launch July 25th.
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2009, 06:49:31 PM »
This bird does not want to go up!  No time given for launch, might be Friday or Saturday.


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Re: Another Delta-IV Heavy Launch July 25th.
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2009, 10:02:59 PM »
Beautiful launch.  I only wish the webcast has sound....  No more coverage since it was a NRO launch.

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Re: Another Delta-IV Heavy Launch July 25th.
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2009, 10:06:38 PM »
Glad I didn't go up there to sit in the cold for 2+ hours.
Almost went out to the beach here to try a long shot, but glad I didn't do that either- hazy cloud cover between here and the Cape.  
Stayed in and watched the webcast- finally flew at 2147 EST.
Stepped out my back door at about +3 mins to see a dull orange glow between clouds.

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Re: Another Delta-IV Heavy Launch July 25th.
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2009, 11:24:24 AM »
Spacecat,
Take a look at these photos of the launch: http://spaceflightnow.com/delta/d337/launch/.  A couple of them almost look CGI.

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