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Re: Apollo 1 disaster
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2006, 11:59:27 PM »
When I was in grade 10 my science lab partner dumped a spoonful of magneseum powder (I think that's what it was) over a bunsen burner... it made a loud POOF! and then it started snowing white ashes. I thought for sure we were going to get sent to the principal but we got off with a stern warning not to do it again. ;)
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Re: Apollo 1 disaster
« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2006, 09:18:13 AM »
When I was in grade 10 ...
I can hardly remember back that far. :wink:

I took three terms of chemistry in college but it was all classroom stuff, no lab.  I had a lab in high school but I have almost no memory of it.  I must not of set anything ablaze or else I'd probably recall it.
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Re: Apollo 1 disaster
« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2006, 09:39:06 AM »
Grade 10 was "only" 15 years ago for me...
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Re: Apollo 1 disaster
« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2006, 10:02:56 AM »
Our HS chem class was fun. In addition to making thermite, we ignited balloons filled with different ratio mixtures of oxygen and acetylene, and compared the sound levels produced by rich or lean mixtures when they exploded. 8)

And in physics class, we fired propane powered tennis ball cannons on the football field during our studies of ballistics and trajectory. :D Had to calculate the landing point (using the yard markers on the field) and max. altitude.

Nowadays the entire class would be shipped off to Gitmo before you could say "Patriot Act".  :( And the teacher would end up like this guy:

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/02/17/fla_teacher_allegedly_told_class_how_to_make_bomb/




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Re: Apollo 1 disaster
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2006, 11:25:06 AM »
And in physics class, we fired propane powered tennis ball cannons...
I did that too, but not in Physics class.  For me in was extracurricular activity. :D

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« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2006, 11:41:32 AM »
Has anyone seen a fire in a pure oxygen envirionment? I have not, and was wondering how it differed from a fire in a normal (Oxygen and Nitrogen).

Here are some URLs I found:
http://www.angelo.edu/faculty/kboudrea/demos/burning_splint/burning_splint.htm
http://www.angelo.edu/faculty/kboudrea/demos/burning_sulfur/burning_sulfur.htm

But then, I also found where you could buy your own O2...  I can't decide whether to laugh for feel sorry for folks who buy this...   :roll:
http://www.firebox.com/?dir=firebox&action=product&pid=275

of course, then you must click on this link...
http://www.firebox.com/index.html?dir=firebox&action=product&pid=319

I'll stop here before I get thrown out.  :)

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Re: Apollo 1 disaster
« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2006, 11:51:16 AM »
And in physics class, we fired propane powered tennis ball cannons...
I did that too, but not in Physics class.  For me in was extracurricular activity. :D

At my school most people do some form of that for a science fair project.  As for Magnesium, here the teachers like to burn blocks of the stuff.  Unfortunatly this lead to a paticularly "clever" student stealing a strip of the stuff and igniting it in a physics class, while staring directly at it.  Sigh, no one amused, chemistry teacher livid, etc, etc.  Personally I was wondering why the guy wasn't sent to a vice principal, but the teachers wanted to deal with it themselves.  To put it lightly, my school gets a bit wild.

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« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2006, 02:40:38 PM »
My school's Open Day was an excuse for the Chemistry Department to let the few sensible students have fun. We'd ignite lidded tins full of Town Gas, then a lethal mix of Hydrogen and Carbon Monoxide. When Gas/Air ratio fell to 'explosive', lid hit target taped to ceiling. We'd lid tins holding a boiled inch of water so air-pressure would crush them as they cooled. *I* got to pour concentrated sulphuric acid into a BIG jar of sugar to make a frothy lava eruption. Molten sulphur !! Thermite !! Sodium lumps into water !! Dichromate volcano !!

Most fun was finding some *very* complex zeolite and crystal models mostly disassembled in a dusty storage box, and promptly reconstructing them. D'uh, how was I to know they'd been in box for years, had thwarted all previous efforts ??

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« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2006, 06:29:06 PM »
In the 1960s, NASA had touring science programs for high schools.  This guy gave a great lecture in our gymnasium, with a long table of toys.  But the best demo was when he poured alchohol into a beaker and lit it.  Then he took a dewer of liquid oxygen and dripped a little into the beaker from about three feet above it.  A two-foot bright flame shot up.

Man: "Should I pour it all in?"

Audience: "Yes!  Yes!"

But he just chuckled and then threw the LOX onto the gym floor, where it created an amazing sliding carpet of white mist.

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Re: Apollo 1 disaster
« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2006, 09:05:04 PM »
Why couldn't my high school have classes were we make flame and other distructive substances?

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Re: Apollo 1 disaster
« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2006, 07:19:35 AM »

At my school most people do some form of that for a science fair project.  As for Magnesium, here the teachers like to burn blocks of the stuff.  Unfortunatly this lead to a paticularly "clever" student stealing a strip of the stuff and igniting it in a physics class, while staring directly at it.  Sigh, no one amused, chemistry teacher livid, etc, etc.  Personally I was wondering why the guy wasn't sent to a vice principal, but the teachers wanted to deal with it themselves.  To put it lightly, my school gets a bit wild.

Oh, I can tell you exactly why.  I had a student (little sneak thief that he was!) who made sure he was the last student out the door when I did the Sodium demo (sodium + water = boom, something I really shouldn't have done at all . . .).  He palmed a lump of sodium from the fume cabinet.  After the lesson he threw it into the toilet.

It was a large lump.

He was a little stunned.

The explosion wasn't big enough to damage anything, of course, but it was certainly large enough to be heard around the school.  The student in question was so frightened that when taken into custody by the head of Secondary, he confessed to her as soon as he could (a habitual liar, took him 15 minutes or so! :))

After the story was discovered, the head teacher dealt with him (rather severely) then took me aside and beat me up with my own arms for allowing this idiot even a moment's access to the substances.  I learned my lesson well.  These days I only take one lump out of storage, and I cut it up in the prep room where students do not go. 

With respect to the teacher who taught his kids to make bombs?

What an irresponsible moron.  Sorry, but that's just not cool, that's criminal.  He's lucky to have gotten off so lightly.

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« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2006, 08:30:19 AM »
If the story about the "bomb-making teacher" actually happened as reported, then I would agree that he went too far.

But here in the land of terrorist paranoia and general fear/distrust of science, it would certainly not be unheard of for the media to blow an innocent chemistry lesson out of all proportion, and try to portray Pieski's classroom as some kind of al-Qaida training camp. :(

This guy wasn't just some maniac off the street. In fact, he was awarded the "Outstanding HS teacher of the Year" award the previous year by the American Chemical Society:

http://membership.acs.org/o/orlando/Awards/awards_banquet.htm

None of the numerous articles that were appeared offered anything from the teacher's POV, other than his statement in the police report. So there is no way of knowing what REALLY happened. All we have is the word of a couple of his students who got caught setting off homemade bombs, and a school administration who was eager to stop the negative publicity by firing the teacher.

Many of the demonstrations being talked about in this thread are potentially hazardous, and might be considered illegal if done outside the classroom. Sodium into water, acetylene balloons, detonating cans full of flammable gases, etc. are all essentially demonstrations of "bomb making". And with the internet, kids who want to build bombs certainly don't need a chemistry class demonstration in order to do so. But those who see such classroom demonstrations just MIGHT learn enough to keep from killing or injuring themselves in the process. The problem isn't KNOWLEDGE, it is people who would RESTRICT knowledge, out of fear about what *some* people might use the knowledge for.

The best demonstrations in a chemistry class are those that make a powerful and lasting impression on the students. And a small explosion is hard to beat in that regard. :P Perhaps some of the growing lack of interest in the sciences among young people is due to the "sanitized" demonstrations being required in classrooms because of fear of lawsuits?
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« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2006, 02:52:36 PM »
It's scary how easy it is to make explosives.  The unstable but effective explosive used by most terrorist suicide bombers can be made with household chemicals.  You can look it up on Wikipedia and get detailed instructions.  And of course, how many of us have played with nitrogen triiodide?  The chemist to originally discovered NI3 blew his fingers off in the course of studying its properties.
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« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2006, 04:23:45 PM »
And to make things even scarier, TATP (containing no nitrogen, unlike most common explosives) doesn't show up on the standard "bomb sniffers" used at airports, etc.

NI3 is loads of fun. Buddy of mine got kicked out of an 8th grade class because of that stuff painted on classroom doorjambs...:)
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« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2006, 07:46:53 PM »
Yes, it's a peroxide, not a nitrate.  I think that was also what the shoe bomber used.  The only good news is, those guys periodically blow themselves and their labs up with that stuff.  It really is not very stable.
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