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Re: Sibrel's astronaut encounters
« Reply #45 on: May 15, 2007, 09:10:20 PM »
Oh gawd... I needed a good laugh, SM!   :lol:

BUZZ ALDRIN'S PUNCH OUT........I love it! 
Buzz would love it- but his legal staff probably wouldn't let him endorse it, even if you made it generic.  The object of the game would be to get Buzz to punch out.... anybody in the media you don't like- whiney celebrities, crooked politicians, repressive dictators... the possibilities are endless!   :lol:

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Re: Sibrel's astronaut encounters
« Reply #46 on: May 16, 2007, 07:44:27 AM »


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« Reply #47 on: May 17, 2007, 03:54:48 PM »
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That's great, Bob!  I'd seen that before but had forgotten about it.


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« Reply #48 on: May 18, 2007, 11:09:56 AM »
Oh if only!

What is it with all the nut cases these days?  Are we failing to educate people properly?  I mean you find people, who are not retarded or illiterate, who believe the dumbest things imaginable:

1. The Apollo landings were faked
2. President Bush blew up the World Trade Center
3. People are being abducted by alien spacecrafts
4. The Earth is only 6000 years old (and Venus is only 3000 years old)
5. You will go to paradise if you blow up a bus full of Israeli school children

People not only believe these delusional things, they are zealous and fanatical about it.  They are arrogantly superior about it, believing that normal rational people are just not enlightened as they are.  And we are talking about big numbers.  A lot of the items above are believed by anywhere from 10 to 30 percent of the population of the USA.  That is just f***ing scary.
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Re: Sibrel's astronaut encounters
« Reply #49 on: May 18, 2007, 10:02:23 PM »
I think the percentage of crazies is relatively constant- population increase dictates there are just more of them, and with today's instantaneous media of internet, cable news, et. al., they get more exposure. 
(In the US, there may even be a slight drop- but I base that merely on the observation that there seem to be fewer psychics advertising on late-night TV now than there were in the '80's)

I may have posted this quote before- it always comes back to me when considering the state of knowledge vs. ignorance.... It's from Willard Bascom's autobiography, "The Crest Of The Wave," which is a fascinating read if you can find a copy.  He's talking about some of his activities in 1957, 1958...

"....one of the jobs I took was scientific representative of the National Academy of Sciences and the American Association for the Advancement of Science on the production of a new CBS-TV science series called "Conquest."   This was an attempt, sponsored by Monsanto Chemical Company and hosted by Eric Sevareid, to make science interesting and understandable to the general public; it was a small piece of the new effort in science education that was part of the American reaction to the launch of Sputnik I."

[Imagine that!  A science series in network prime-time!  He goes on to talk about preparations and research for the series, then writes:]

"I was dismayed to learn that over one third of the US population believes in such things as supernatural beings, ghosts, angels, devils, space aliens, numerology, ESP, miracles and spells.  It would be hard to explain natural laws and the need for scientific proof to that crowd."


So I guess what's REALLY scary is that despite the exponential increase in advances and discoveries over 50 years- certain pockets of ignorance remain constant.
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« Reply #50 on: May 19, 2007, 10:35:42 AM »
Part of the problem is that some superstitious beliefs are part of powerful politcial mass movements like evangelical christianity and jihadist islam.  For many of those people, there is an agenda to overthrow science, in the same way that marxists wanted to overthrow capitalism.  They want a world where clerics hold the highest position of social status and authority over what people think and believe.
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« Reply #51 on: May 21, 2007, 11:18:56 AM »
Don,
Something else to add is our schools suck.  Education is watered down.  What is taught is no longer around or the standards to graduate have been lowered to get better numbers for schools (quantity vs. quality).  The schools around here have a comprehensive K-12 sex education policy but zero plans for math and science. 
Ignorance perpetuates.  Go see the movie Idiocracy.  It is funny, it is scary and it is what might be.

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« Reply #52 on: May 21, 2007, 11:38:18 PM »
Yes,I've seen Idiocracy, funny and disturbing.  I agree about schools, and its not getting better.  Schools in the USA are getting hurt from both sides of the political spectrum.  On the left, you have all the anti-technology hippies, and on the right you have guys who think the Earth is the center of the solar system.

A good site is "Defend Science" - http://www.defendscience.org/index.html

I think we are living in a time where a serious assault is being mounted against The Enlightenment.
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Re: Sibrel's astronaut encounters
« Reply #53 on: May 22, 2007, 09:36:52 AM »
Trouble is, there are people defending the enlightenment dogmatically. :)

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« Reply #54 on: May 24, 2007, 09:00:53 AM »
Hey Guys,

     Forgive me for my ignorance as I post here as to once again add to any reference to the 'astronaut godfather'... Buzz Aldrin. But yes, it is all very entertaining and full of content in which to keep the gossiping community alive and the tabloids at bay.

     While going over the sub titles of subjects, I have had to wonder where the facination has gotten its roots from. Just not sure what warrants comment on not just this thread from time to time since its inclusion of November '05, but the incredible attention Buzz Aldrin's Race Into Space has continued to attract, with its over 700 replies and 49 pages of postings since 2002! Not my cup of tea.

     I was prepared to lambast such a covey of pigeons, poking fun and giving support for our space program, and the truth in all its efforts over the decades. Instead I find it has more to do with (once again) the matters of human interaction, behaviorism, beliefs... and fears of the unknown. Perfect proving grounds which I would like to take part in. If I am allowed to continue, to do so.

     But... it can be extensive and involved and maybe a bit disheartening to come to such global 'enlightenment'. Once again, it does become all too relative and to realize this... is in itself, the enlightenment. The truth in us as well to be discovered and preserved.

     So, I wonder where we can go with this to be of a more relevant nature, to further contribute our thoughts of why and why not or, should we queeze it all here under the escapades concerning the misguided and corrupt minds who struggle to be false prophets and martyrs for the truth?

     What can I do to further the enlightment of all our members around here?  :yoda:   

 
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Re: Sibrel's astronaut encounters
« Reply #55 on: May 24, 2007, 09:16:57 AM »
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What can I do to further the enlightment of all our members around here?

You could start by making sense. Try telling us clearly what you're talking about rather than using 300 words to say nothing. I have no idea what you're talking about, to be perfectly honest. You're like a politician or lawyer who tries to use as many words as possible to say the simplest thing, and it ends up just obfuscating the message.

We're not here for enlightenment. We're here to discuss "the space race"... hence the title of the forum.
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Re: Sibrel's astronaut encounters
« Reply #56 on: May 24, 2007, 12:15:49 PM »
I have no idea what you're talking about, to be perfectly honest.

I'll second that.

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Re: Sibrel's astronaut encounters
« Reply #57 on: May 24, 2007, 12:57:27 PM »
Is this a time I can use my colorful language skills? :lol:

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Re: Sibrel's astronaut encounters
« Reply #58 on: May 25, 2007, 09:02:31 AM »
Hey there people  :lol:,

     I was having a good laugh, sputtering my morning coffee through my teeth.

     Must thank you and appreciate all of the last, brief comments you made and confirmed what I had been wondering about when it came to some of the member's attitudes and paths of thinking.

     Easy guys. I was making some quips as to WHY this particular thread has digressed from one side to another from what everyone has offered as criticism and opinion concerning such an encounter, by a confused and assertive individual as to attack one's profession and integrity. That being, a self proclaimed reporter/journalist (or whoever he may represent) against a well-seasoned ex-astronaut and scientist. It had seemed as long winded as I am. The thread, that is, in comparison.

     Never inmtended to 'confuse' anyone by my statements or maybe, embellished (so it seemed by a few), explanations. This is my way of trying to come across for those who may appreciate some variety in correpsondence... something above the 8th grade.

     Please forgive me for this, as I must confess with all my heart... that I am a writer of sorts and ever since logging on to the Internet some half-dozen years ago, I take advantage of building my writing skills as someone would going for a morning jog to keep in shape. Never meant to use any of you as pawns in such a game of chess, but more over, using the Internet to stimulate my brain at the same time.

     Just that (allow me to go on) if we're not here for enlightenment, in its many various meanings... then we are stubborn in our intentions of any further learning of the truths we appear to be seeking. Be it of the understanding of humankind and its behavior (mentioned in these latest comments here from all of you), the encounter between a novice zealot and experienced professional, or the quality of scholastic system applications.

     It was just a matter of organization and where to make futher comments which apply to the subjectmattter, rather than going on, off from the understood forum intent. (Not to imply I'm trying to be a polititian or lawyer... but one who enjoys writing and having a heart of a designer and who has done so in the past.)
 

     Sibrel's astronaut encounters. Fact or Fiction. Special Interest.

     I've been enlightened by your very comments. And yes, bring on the colorful language. I love a good laugh now and then. Like now.

     Just trying to help.

Harry  :)         

       
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« Reply #59 on: May 25, 2007, 09:08:41 AM »
I enjoy writing too. I enjoy getting my point across clearly and efficiently. I don't like having to explain what I mean so I say it right the first time. Embellishing your writing is a waste of time for everyone.
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