Author Topic: Sibrel's astronaut encounters  (Read 126801 times)

Offline Tranquility Base

  • X-15 Pilot
  • *
  • Posts: 30
  • Gender: Male
Sibrel's astronaut encounters
« on: November 26, 2005, 01:20:48 AM »
In Bart Sibrel's video "Astronauts Gone Wild," he shows footage of his infamous encounters with
some of the retired astronauts.  His incident with Buzz Aldrin was the most famous of his Bible stalking encounters because it was reported nationally.  But I was wondering how exactly he came in contact with some of the other astronauts.  How did he seek out people like Gene Cernan, Bill Anders, Mike Collins, Al Bean, or John Young?  Have the astronauts said anything about their encounters with him after the fact, or haven't they shown much reaction? 

I actually remember reading about his encounter with Neil Armstrong in "First Man," the new biography of his life.  Apparently he ran into Armstrong at a meeting of stockholders and the book talked about the reaction of Armstrong and somebody else who was there.  I was wondering about what some of the other astronauts have said. 

To be honest, I would probably die before giving Bart Sibrel my money to buy his videos but I am still curious about the reaction he had.
« Last Edit: November 26, 2005, 01:24:59 AM by Tranquility Base »

Offline LunarOrbit

  • Administrator
  • Moonwalker
  • *****
  • Posts: 3357
  • Gender: Male
    • TheSpaceRace.com
Re: Sibrel's astronaut encounters
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2005, 01:50:54 AM »
I haven't seen that video, just a short preview clip.

It looked like he ambushed Michael Collins at the supermarket, and I've heard that Sibrel was invited into Ed Mitchell's home under false pretenses (he told Mitchell that he worked for the History Channel). I think Mitchell even gave Sibrel a kick in the butt as he left. :lol:

I'm not sure about the others, but in some cases Sibrel just showed up at public events that the astronauts were attending. Some of them played along and swore on Sibrel's bible, others refused to cooperate.
" We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard..."
 - John F. Kennedy

Offline SCEtoAUX

  • Mercury (orbital)
  • **
  • Posts: 90
  • Gender: Male
Re: Sibrel's astronaut encounters
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2005, 08:16:05 PM »
If you have a strong stomach, you can find the complete video as a BitTorrent from several sources online. That way, you can see it without giving a penny to Sibrel. Same goes for his "Funny Thing Happened" tape.

In addition to the encounters already mentioned, his confrontation with Alan Bean was pretty memorable. After being invited into Bean's home and art studio under the pretext of a legitimate interview, he begins asking more and more ridiculous questions before whipping out the bible.

Bean throws him out shortly thereafter. The audio is kinda garbled at that point, but I believe the phrase "Get the F*** out of my house!" was shouted at least once...

The fact that he hasn't been seriously hurt is a testament to the patience of the "interviewees". I'm very surprised Aldrin is the only one who has taken a swing at this twit! :(

Offline Tranquility Base

  • X-15 Pilot
  • *
  • Posts: 30
  • Gender: Male
Re: Sibrel's astronaut encounters
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2005, 01:09:03 PM »
How many of the ex-astronauts have actually said they swore on his Bible?  Sibrel does not show the footage of the astronauts actually swearing, right?

Offline Ottawan

  • Administrator
  • Moonwalker
  • *****
  • Posts: 1896
  • Gender: Male
Re: Sibrel's astronaut encounters
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2005, 03:27:05 PM »
Now how can Sibrel attempt to maintain any shred of what we already know to be his non-existant "credibility" if he actually showed Apollonauts swearing on a bible in any of his videos?
Man must explore . . . and this is exploration at its greatest

Dave Scott, Apollo 15

Offline LunarOrbit

  • Administrator
  • Moonwalker
  • *****
  • Posts: 3357
  • Gender: Male
    • TheSpaceRace.com
Re: Sibrel's astronaut encounters
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2005, 07:04:20 PM »
It's a no-win situation for the astronauts, Sibrel can use it to his advantage either way. If the astronauts do swear on the bible Sibrel will just say "See, they are so inolved in this conspiracy that they would even go against God", and if they refuse he says they have something to hide.
" We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard..."
 - John F. Kennedy

Offline Tranquility Base

  • X-15 Pilot
  • *
  • Posts: 30
  • Gender: Male
Re: Sibrel's astronaut encounters
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2005, 07:53:55 PM »
Of course, I realize that it is totally against his interest to show the footage of the astronauts swearing.  I was just curious to know who actually swore on the Bible and how one would know this.

Offline Bob B.

  • Global Moderator
  • Moonwalker
  • *****
  • Posts: 1438
  • Gender: Male
    • Rocket & Space Technology
Re: Sibrel's astronaut encounters
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2005, 08:01:55 PM »
I recall hearing somewhere that Ed Mitchell swore on the Bible before he threw Sibrel out of his house.  I've heard that other astronauts did as well but I don't know any other names.
« Last Edit: February 06, 2006, 01:19:06 PM by Bob B. »

Offline SCEtoAUX

  • Mercury (orbital)
  • **
  • Posts: 90
  • Gender: Male
Re: Sibrel's astronaut encounters
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2005, 09:08:50 PM »
Yes, Ed Mitchell did swear on the bible. IIRC he was the only one who did.

The "oath" that Sibrel was administering stated "under penalty of treason". Several of the victims questioned this, to which Sibrel replied that taking taxpayer money for doing something that they never did amounted to treason...


Offline Tranquility Base

  • X-15 Pilot
  • *
  • Posts: 30
  • Gender: Male
Re: Sibrel's astronaut encounters
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2006, 10:48:25 PM »
Tonight I finally viewed Astronauts Gone Wild after downloading the video from a bit torrent site, as was mentioned previously.  In fact, he does indeed show footage of Ed Mitchell swearing on his Bible.  Not only does Mitchell take him up on his demand, but Gene Cernan also testifies on camera that he did walk on the moon on Apollo 17.  Of course, Sibrel would like us to concentrate more on the actions of the astronauts who brushed him off and refused his demand.  Alan Bean is shown placing his hand on the Bible, but then refusing to follow through due to Sibrel's "penalty of treason" requirement.  Neil Armstrong has a memorable line as well: "Knowing you, Mr. Sibrel, that's probably a fake Bible."  The last encounter shown is with Mitchell, who says emphatically, "I will personally take you to court if you follow through on this," before giving him a kick in the rear end.  Sibrel also makes the point that Bean and Cernan contradict each other when talking about the sound from the LM's descent engine.  Bean said that the engine could not be heard inside the cockpit, while Cernan said he could hear the engine.

But in the end, although Sibrel loves to point to the astronauts who brushed him off and told him to get lost as evidence that they were in on a conspiracy, he contradicts himself by showing his footage of Mitchell and Cernan.  Two prominent Apollo figures did appease him, did swear on the Bible, and yet he markets his DVD on the grounds that the astronauts have something to hide.  Sibrel should be given credit for making an amusing video, but 53 minutes later my opinion of the man just went down a couple more notches.  Gene Cernan, in my opinion, treated him with the most class of any of the astronauts.  He said it best when he said something to the effect of "You can show that video anywhere, anytime."  If any of you want to see this video, I recommend it as a free download but I strongly recommend to avoid giving him your money.   
« Last Edit: February 05, 2006, 10:51:48 PM by Tranquility Base »

Offline LunarOrbit

  • Administrator
  • Moonwalker
  • *****
  • Posts: 3357
  • Gender: Male
    • TheSpaceRace.com
Re: Sibrel's astronaut encounters
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2006, 11:34:43 PM »
I would watch it but I think it would send my blood pressure through the roof. His first video ("A Funny thing happened on the way to the Moon") was bad enough, but I despise Sibrel's stalking tactics.
" We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard..."
 - John F. Kennedy

Offline Tranquility Base

  • X-15 Pilot
  • *
  • Posts: 30
  • Gender: Male
Re: Sibrel's astronaut encounters
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2006, 12:24:08 AM »
Well, I imagine that being the administrator at the Apollo hoax forum probably drives your blood pressure through the roof at times as well.  It appears one of the hoax believers, "Moon Man," is now claiming that somebody hacked his computer to keep him offline.  I think as administrator of that message board that you should take action, Lunar Orbit.       
« Last Edit: February 06, 2006, 12:27:12 AM by Tranquility Base »

Offline LunarOrbit

  • Administrator
  • Moonwalker
  • *****
  • Posts: 3357
  • Gender: Male
    • TheSpaceRace.com
Re: Sibrel's astronaut encounters
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2006, 12:46:52 AM »
I can handle people who claim the moon landings were fake... to an extent... but I just can't stand stalkers and paparazzi, and not just when it comes to the Apollo astronauts.

Moon Man hasn't been back since I told him to apologize for making that accusation or prove it. If he makes it again I will probably ban him.
" We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard..."
 - John F. Kennedy

Offline Nik

  • Gemini Pilot
  • ***
  • Posts: 103
ROFL !!
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2006, 12:17:06 PM »
Your paranoid poster reminds me of an ex-colleague who was *convinced* some-one was using his pre-paid phone-cards...

Okay, he was ringing up local betting-shop on his break, and losing money steadily.

That aside, I noticed him complaining to the card-issuer that his cards were 'empty'. Twice, he sent them back, twice replacements were sent. This time, the third, I commented that pre-paid cards needed to to be kept clean and flat, and his were neither...

Seems he'd thought some-one was breaking into his flea-bitten car --without adding any damage-- finding his pre-pay phone-cards, using them, then returning them and re-securing car without leaving a trace...

He was astonished that there could be a trivial explanation !!

Offline Bob B.

  • Global Moderator
  • Moonwalker
  • *****
  • Posts: 1438
  • Gender: Male
    • Rocket & Space Technology
Re: Sibrel's astronaut encounters
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2006, 11:49:07 AM »
If any of you want to see this video, I recommend it as a free download but I strongly recommend to avoid giving him your money.
I will never give that man a penny, but I did managed to get a free look at A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Moon.  In fact, I just lambasted Bart in a review at Amazon.com -- customer review dated February 6, 2006.